Saturday, January 05, 2013

Shop Hobby Lobby Today

I posted the following blurb, which I had received in an email earlier today from patriot Carol K, on the Cleveland.com Politics Forum:

Shop Hobby Lobby Today “It's time to get behind the businesses and corporations that truly stand for family and religious values in America! Don't let the radical Left agenda dictate how America must believe and act! There is a support day today (Jan 5th) at all Hobby Lobby stores. If you can, shop there to support the Green family's stance on Christian values!!”

Here is the audacious, belligerent response that that post elicited from some clown named chopperboy:

Support Right-winged Taliban!  This isn't religious freedom. This is Hobby Lobby telling their employees they must follow their specific brand of religion and belief system. If all their employees really do not believe in using these drugs, then Hobby Lobby shouldn't have any issue with offering them as nobody would ever use them anyhow. Religious Freedom as they are claiming is about CHOICE. Not about somebody cramming their beliefs down your throat.

My retort to chopperboy:

Unfair Comparison Unfair comparison ChopSuey - Christianity =/= Islamic Terrorism!

How dare you compare the vicious, murderous Religious-Militaristic-Political Islam-inspired terrorist group with God-fearing, Judeo-Christian principled and values oriented organizations? Are you out of your mind? You liberals amaze me, calling evil good and good evil. You and your ilk are contributing to the ultimate destruction of America... Thank you very much...

Chopperboy responds:

Not at all.. gayjaye...religious freedom exists for ALL, not just the owners of Hobby Lobby. The funny thing is Hobby Lobby is a corporation, so they are using a corporation to shove their religious views down the throats of their employees. If a Jewish person applied for a job at HL, do you think they would be hired because the owners of HL don't agree with their religious viewpoint?

Oh..and you are a liar also..Like Christians didn't go around killing Muslims for hundreds of years. You are a right-winged POS. And I am NOT even a liberal you moron!

My counter to chopperboy:
Don't Let the Facts Get in the Way of Your Argument ChopLiver - You are good at name calling, but not so good at getting your facts straight. Besides your statement, “religious freedom exists for ALL….” everything else you write is false.

If keeping their stores closed on Sundays out of religious convictions and not greed, conducting their business and operation based on Judeo-Christian values, including treating their employees fairly is "shoving (Hobby Lobby ownership’s) religious views down the throats of their employees” then they are ‘guilty’ as accused! Hobby Lobby does not discriminate against Jews or anyone else in hiring or treatment...

Christians killing Muslims throughout history has been inconsequential compared to persecution and massive murders of Christians in the name of allah, mohammed and Islam! Maybe centuries ago a few ‘Christians’ may have killed a few Muslims. However, they are not doing that today to any degree whatsoever. However, all over the world Islam-inspired terrorists are killing Christian and other ‘infidels’ as I write this. You make an absurd, unfair comparison. But what do facts or history matter to you.

Here’s what another poster, OldKL50, added to the discussion:

I don't think that Hobby Lobby, as an employer, is telling it's employees what to do ... or what to believe.

I think the core issue is does Hobby Lobby, as an employer, have to provide 100% coverage for abortifacient (emergency contraception). Evidently, the employer already covers basic birth control (pills, etc), but doesn't think it should cover the other types of birth control. Note, not providing coverage for such a medication/device doesn't mean that any Hobby Lobby employee cannot USE such a measure, it just won't be covered by the employer's health insurance. So, you can't really claim they are forcing their views onto their employees, rather, they just want a limit on what they 'pay for' for their employees .

However, they still don't qualify as a religious employer the same way that a church or temple would. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/atty-hobby-lobby-offer-morning-pill-18078798#.UOhPGHdkj6M

" An attorney for Hobby Lobby Stores said Thursday that the arts and crafts chain plans to defy a federal mandate requiring it to offer employees health coverage that includes access to the morning-after pill, despite risking potential fines of up to $1.3 million per day.

Hobby Lobby and religious book-seller Mardel Inc., which are owned by the same conservative Christian family, are suing to block part of the federal health care law that requires employee health-care plans to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar emergency contraception pills. ..."

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